Easy Allies and Kinda Funny Salaries
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- #401
Wow, this is big. I am kinda happy now I never got around to making a twitch account. I hope that users that had credit card information connected are screwed.
what the fuck?
- #402
Don't know about xqc but hasan runs one 60 second ad every hour and at every ad run he tells his viewers they can avoid the ads by subbing or using an ad-block or a vpn. That's way less ads than you would see on an hour of TV so I don't know how that translates to a shit ton of ads.
Yeah, it's actually the other way arround. Small streamers are pretty much forced to play 6 ads (~3 minutes) every hour. Top streamers have to play way less ads, because they bring in more revenue due to their subscriptions and bits.
- #403
There is a reason a lot of them in the US moved to Texas.These streamers are surely doing taxes any % speedruns
0% income tax.
- #404
- #405
Seriously. Why would anyone wish for that?
- #406
You're right, successful streamers who worked their ass off for years streaming and getting to the top shouldn't make money.Donations should be for low streamers, that actually need it for new equipment, bills and ya know food. There really should be some sort of cut off on this shit. I'm not sure If I was racking in that much money per month feeling comfortable taking donations from people who are most likely min wage. Gross.
The fuck is this Tall Poppy Syndrome going on in this thread? This thread is mad jelly.
- #407
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- #408
As they say having a sense of shame is incompatible with making big moneyI'm not sure If I was racking in that much money per month feeling comfortable taking donations from people who are most likely min wage. Gross.
- #409
Always baffled me that people are donating 100s and 100s of dollars to streamers that are clearly raking in tons of money. Absolutely absurd.I enjoy Max's content, but raking in 1,5 million a year on Twitch alone. It's kind of a lot...
Agreed, it's a lot! Fighting games are niche and I just want them to be more popular and do well - Max is one of the very few who genuinely cares and wants to help grow the scene without the drama which I appreciate.
- #410
Some are earning more money in 1 month, than others do in their whole lifetime
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- #413
Um watWow, this is big. I am kinda happy now I never got around to making a twitch account. I hope that users that had credit card information connected are screwed.
- #414
You're right, successful streamers who worked their ass off for years streaming and getting to the top shouldn't make money.The fuck is this Tall Poppy Syndrome going on in this thread? This thread is mad jelly.
I mean that post clearly doesn't say they shouldn't make any money, but when your channel is raking in 100K+ a month in sub revenue alone, at some point also accepting donations seems weird.
- #415
I know you're just joking but people can tell if a streamer is getting into it just for the money.Changing career to steamer in my forties is going to be tough. Also, hello fellow kids.
You may want to edit your post to say Aren't screwed.I saw other posts worried about connected amazon prime accounts and payment information. I don't know if credit card information is compromised, but the entire site was leaked and I couldn't help but think of the worst case scenario. I apologize if my wording made it sound like credit card info was definitely compromised and caused extra worry.
- #416
KF has been streaming all their shows that then get recorded to go on YT + Patreon, not to mention this year specially they have been doing a ton of let's plays live. I'm not surprised.Even got KindaFunny and EasyAllies on the list. Big difference in Twitch revenue.KindaFunny
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- #417
I saw other posts worried about connected amazon prime accounts and payment information. I don't know if credit card information is compromised, but the entire site was leaked and I couldn't help but think of the worst case scenario. I apologize if my wording made it sound like credit card info was definitely compromised and caused extra worry.
- #418
Grow up.Wow, this is big. I am kinda happy now I never got around to making a twitch account. I hope that users that had credit card information connected are screwed.
- #419
I always love it when users on a website exposes themselves as being a genuine piece of shit. Imagine hoping that thousands if not millions of people have their credit card information stolen just because they have it connected to a website you don't like. Fuck off.Wow, this is big. I am kinda happy now I never got around to making a twitch account. I hope that users that had credit card information connected are screwed.
Edit: person I replied this to has clarified that they made a type and that they hoped people with connected credit card information are NOT screwed. I've since apologized.
- #420
I saw other posts worried about connected amazon prime accounts and payment information. I don't know if credit card information is compromised, but the entire site was leaked and I couldn't help but think of the worst case scenario. I apologize if my wording made it sound like credit card info was definitely compromised and caused extra worry.
That's not why we were taken aback by your response. You said that you hoped that the people who had the Credit Card information stored were screwed... As in they were fucked over by this... why would you want that?
- #421
- #422
If I already have 2FA enabled, does this leak include my 2FA secret keys and my recovery codes, meaning my account is still vulnerable?
- #423
I think the issue is the difference between the words "are" and "aren't"I saw other posts worried about connected amazon prime accounts and payment information. I don't know if credit card information is compromised, but the entire site was leaked and I couldn't help but think of the worst case scenario. I apologize if my wording made it sound like credit card info was definitely compromised and caused extra worry.
- #424
This isn't true in 2021. Every streamer on that list that I've watched has publicly stated they are very very comfortable financially and do not need donations, some have put caps on the maximum amount a user can donate. I honestly don't know where you got the idea that they act like they are poverty stricken.I don't need to comment on how bad the situation is for data security, that's obviously terrible.The thing I want to focus on is the payouts. That tweet posted shows that people I watch on YouTube who always act like they are poverty stricken with how much they go on about subscribing and ads etc, reportedly earned $3m a year from twitch.
I'm not surprised and honestly knowing the actual figures just puts me off them even more.
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- #425
Did you forget 'not' before screwed?I saw other posts worried about connected amazon prime accounts and payment information. I don't know if credit card information is compromised, but the entire site was leaked and I couldn't help but think of the worst case scenario. I apologize if my wording made it sound like credit card info was definitely compromised and caused extra worry.
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- #428
This is subs+ads+bits, it does not include donations.was wondering why Pokimane was so low on the totem poll, but I remembered she had twitch implement a custom donation cap on her channel of $5. Still, 30k a month isn't anything to sneeze at..
- #429
I always love it when users on a website exposes themselves as being a genuine piece of shit. Imagine hoping that thousands if not millions of people have their credit card information stolen just because they have it connected to a website you don't like. Fuck off.
Whoops. I thought I typed aren't screwed. Not are screwed. That is my bad.
- #430
Did you forget 'not' before screwed?
pretty sure he did - people need to chill.
- #431
Even when you do, you get sent a code that is not valid for some reason. I changed passwords but unable to activate 2FA. Good thing I have nothing linked there already.Why doesn't it just let you turn on Device 2FA without first having to put your number in?
- #432
That's not why we were taken aback by your response. You said that you hoped that the people who had the Credit Card information stored were screwed... As in they were fucked over by this... why would you want that?
Sorry I thought I typed aren't in my message, not are.
- #433
- #434
What? I never said they shouldn't be paid for their hard work. They are getting paid big time even without the donations, sponsors and what other stuff on the side.You're right, successful streamers who worked their ass off for years streaming and getting to the top shouldn't make money.The fuck is this Tall Poppy Syndrome going on in this thread? This thread is mad jelly.
- #435
Its Jealousy. (And Sexim in your example.)Not gonna lie. These "IRS" and "taxes" posts remind me of people going after adult webcam streamers (primarily women, because incels) back in 2018.
They can disable donations if they want. I see no reason why they should have to turn it off. I dont think anyone donates to a big time streamer going "I'm going to help a small time streamer out!"What? I never said they shouldn't be paid for their hard work. They are getting paid big time even without the donations, sponsors and what other stuff on the side.
Sure there's an argument to be made about parasocial relationships but thats not the responsibility of the streamer.
- #436
Sorry I thought I typed aren't in my message, not are.
I see. Sorry, it's just Streamer-related threads are a shit show on Era and so a post saying that you said accidentally... but in earnest wouldn't be out of place.
- #437
If I already have 2FA enabled, does this leak include my 2FA secret keys and my recovery codes, meaning my account is still vulnerable?
Where did you get 2 factor authentication recovery codes from Twitch? I went in "Security and Privacy" => Security => Two-Factor Authentication => Edit Two-Factor Authentication and cannot find any mention of it.
It only shows SMS as a backup option.
- #438
- #439
Whoops. I thought I typed aren't screwed. Not are screwed. That is my bad.
its all good! Thanks
- #440
Probably that you need consent first from the user?Why doesn't it just let you turn on Device 2FA without first having to put your number in?
- #441
I see. Sorry, it's just Streamer-related threads are a shit show on Era and so a post saying that you said accidentally... but in earnest wouldn't be out of place.
No need to apologize, I messed up my message and it looked really bad. I am glad it was pointed out to me that I made that mistake.
- #442
Yeah but if I were to use Device 2FA (such as with an app authenticator) I'd not get text messages at all. Which is what I want.You have to opt-in, otherwise there is a liability where the user might sue back for sending text messages without their consent. I know that I had this discussion in the past when I was at work somewhere else when mentioning about forcing 2FA enabled during user registration.
- #443
- #444
Zerator (french streamer, 44th on the list) acknowledged it on this thread:
That was interesting, thanks for sharing. I think as much as streamers like to present themselves as a 'one man show' this is a useful reminder that they are more like a business. Some play that bigger or smaller than others, but definitely have more appreciation for those who support those who chip into the channel and invest in their community through events or trying out new ventures.
I hope something that comes out of this though is bigger streamers phase out having open donations and encouraging big money that goes just to them. Charity drives and merch are cool but if someone's big enough the pure ad revenue puts them way up the high earning brackets, having donation system with no cap just doesn't feel right to me.
- #445
Fair enough, sorry for my comment then.Whoops. I thought I typed aren't screwed. Not are screwed. That is my bad.
- #446
Oh hmmm, I had the impression that it sends you a batch of recovery codes when you enable 2FA. Sorry, it's been 2 years since I signed up for 2FA.Where did you get 2 factor authentication recovery codes from Twitch? I went in "Security and Privacy" => Security => Two-Factor Authentication => Edit Two-Factor Authentication and cannot find any mention of it.It only shows SMS as a backup option.
But still, my concern is, are our 2FA secret keys leaked as well in this leak?
- #447
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- #449
I'm not saying every streamer acts that way but the insentive is always there.This isn't true in 2021. Every streamer on that list that I've watched has publicly stated they are very very comfortable financially and do not need donations, some have put caps on the maximum amount a user can donate. I honestly don't know where you got the idea that they act like they are poverty stricken.
You have visual and audio overlays to help promote tipping/subbing/promoting comments which is only presented to help with encouraging people to do so.
You can say that streamers say they are comfortable but the fact is they are still accepting tips etc and in all likelihood don't need to. Hell, I know of one example of a streamer who had a fan who had spent over $150k on donating subs to people over a year period. This shit isn't uncommon for bigger streamers.
It's all a cult of personality that encourages self destructive behaviours from the audience.
Ultimately the argument will be "people are allowed to be successful" and that is true but the levels of success successful content creators have clashes for me with the amount of effort that they put into continuing that success. Many of these top streamers could retire now but instead continue to rake in millions all while chastising any sort of criticism with "do you know how hard we work? We can't take breaks otherwise we lose fans and money".
- #450
Source: https://www.resetera.com/threads/vgc-the-entirety-of-twitch-has-reportedly-been-leaked.496344/page-9
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